{"id":2408,"date":"2008-04-26T05:11:24","date_gmt":"2008-04-26T04:11:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/wordpress\/blog\/philosophie-zwischen-verstaendnis-und-unverstaendnis\/"},"modified":"2023-12-18T08:48:16","modified_gmt":"2023-12-18T07:48:16","slug":"philosophie-zwischen-verstaendnis-und-unverstaendnis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/2008\/04\/philosophie-zwischen-verstaendnis-und-unverstaendnis\/","title":{"rendered":"Philosophie &#8211; Zwischen Verst\u00e4ndnis und Unverst\u00e4ndnis"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In dieser wohl doch sehr merkw\u00fcrdig gewordenen Welt der westlichen Moderne verschwinden viele Ding unmerklich. So auch Philosophen. Jean-Francois Lyotard starb am 21. April 1998, also vor gut zehn Jahren. In den alternden 80er Jahren wurde er von mir zwar wahrgenommen (im Merve-Kreis), aber auch dann als postmodern zur Seite geworfen. Eine Rezension seines Buches &#8220;Der Widerstreit&#8221; im Hessischen Rundfunk blieb mir unangenehm in Erinnerung. Er ging nicht!<\/p>\n<p>Nun hat mir ein Buchladen f\u00fcr eine Bestellung 5 Euro Abschlag geboten. Da war es naheliegend, Lyotards &#8220;Widerstreit&#8221; endlich mal anzuschauen. Und der erste Blick, die erste Lesung ist zwiesp\u00e4ltig. Soweit es Exkurse zur griechischen Philosophie geht, verstehe ich sie wenigstens etwas. Das meiste ist schlechterdings unlesbar. Aber zwischendrin dann S\u00e4tze hoher Dichte, die sich selbst verstehen.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Die Wirklichkeit: ein Schwarm von Bedeutungen l\u00e4\u00dft sich auf einem Feld nieder, das von einer Welt abgesteckt wird. <fn>Jean-Francois Lyotard, <em>Der Widerstreit,<\/em> Frankfurt\/M. 1989, S. 95.<\/fn><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Das sitzt &#8211; obwohl es eher nicht sitzt sondern h\u00fcpft &#8211; und sticht aus den vielen anderen, sicherlich oder hoffentlich logischen Analysen heraus. Wie dieser hier:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sind diese Markierungen des selbstreferentiellen Universums (die deiktischen Indikatoren) einmal ausgeschlossen, so kann jeder beliebige &#8220;rote Blume&#8221;, die nicht vom urspr\u00fcnglichen Satz asl Referent dargestellt wurde, die Referenz-Instanz des ostensiven Satzes besetzen, wenn sie den kognitiven Satz, der das Rot definiert, validieren kann. <fn>Jean-Francois Lyotard, <em>Der Widerstreit,<\/em> Frankfurt\/M. 1989, S. 79.<\/fn><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ich kann gar nicht beurteilen, ob es sich um eine Trivialit\u00e4t oder einen ausgesprochen originellen Gedanken handelt, aber das Buch ist voll davon.<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Philosophie%20%E2%80%93%20Zwischen%20Verst%C3%A4ndnis%20und%20Unverst%C3%A4ndnis https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2008%2F04%2Fphilosophie-zwischen-verstaendnis-und-unverstaendnis%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; 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So auch Philosophen. Jean-Francois Lyotard starb am 21. April 1998, also vor gut zehn Jahren. In den alternden 80er Jahren wurde er von mir zwar wahrgenommen (im Merve-Kreis), aber auch dann als postmodern zur Seite geworfen. Eine Rezension seines Buches [&hellip;]<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Philosophie%20%E2%80%93%20Zwischen%20Verst%C3%A4ndnis%20und%20Unverst%C3%A4ndnis https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2008%2F04%2Fphilosophie-zwischen-verstaendnis-und-unverstaendnis%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 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