{"id":2433,"date":"2008-06-11T19:19:18","date_gmt":"2008-06-11T18:19:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/wordpress\/blog\/symposiums-sind-asymptotmatisch\/"},"modified":"2023-12-18T08:48:16","modified_gmt":"2023-12-18T07:48:16","slug":"symposiums-sind-asymptotmatisch","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/symposiums-sind-asymptotmatisch\/","title":{"rendered":"Symposiums sind asymptotmatisch"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Wer auf ein Symposium geht, wird darin umkommen, es sei denn, er ist Vortragender. Dann wird man komplett verkommen.  Seit gestern in Berlin, das Dahlhaus-Symposium. Es geht noch bis zum Freitag abend. Thema: Dahlhaus.<\/p>\n<p>Auf den Podien, viele Dahlhausianer. Und andere, deren Vortr&auml;gen man nur schwer folgen kann. Dahlhaus wirkt auf wie ein Opfer seiner Verehrung und zugleich als unantastbare &Uuml;berfigur. Es gibt im musikwissenschaftlichen Bereich ja fast nichts, wor&uuml;ber er sich nicht ge&auml;u&szlig;ert h&auml;tte, im Zweifel sogar mehrfach.<\/p>\n<p><!--break--><\/p>\n<p>Das macht ihn zu Zentralfigur der Musikwissenschaft in Deutschland in dern 70er und 80er Jahren. Und das, obwohl es sich offenbar nicht als Hochschullehrer und Musikwissenschaftler sondern vor allem als Schriftsteller verstanden haben soll.<\/p>\n<p>Momentan fehlen mir doch stark diejenigen dort, die etwas deutlicher hinter Dahlhaus herumlugen. Es ist alles vermutlich sher gescheit gesagt, bei dem, was ich gelich gar nicht verstehe. Aber damit bin ich dort ziemlich allein.<\/p>\n<p>Insgesamt finde ich besonders anstregend, den f&uuml;r das Buch geschriebenen Vortr&auml;gen zu folgen, die einfach eine andere Dynamik haben als freie Vortr&auml;ge. Gleichzeitig kann man nicht frei sprechen, wenn man an den Texten kleben muss. 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