{"id":460,"date":"2004-05-30T10:25:32","date_gmt":"2004-05-30T09:25:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/wordpress\/blog\/richard-wagner-sie-sind-nur-ableiter\/"},"modified":"2023-12-18T08:49:49","modified_gmt":"2023-12-18T07:49:49","slug":"richard-wagner-sie-sind-nur-ableiter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/richard-wagner-sie-sind-nur-ableiter\/","title":{"rendered":"Richard Wagner: \u201c\u2026 sie sind nur Ableiter.\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Richard Wagner ist ein umstrittener K&uuml;nstler, nicht nur heute sondern auch zu seiner Zeit. In seiner revolution&auml;ren Phase als Autor (so um 1850) hatte er einer unentschiedenen Art des Kommunismus sich zugewandt. In jener Zeit enstanden dicht hintereinander zuweilen dicke Abhandlungen wie &bdquo;Das Kunstwerk der Zukunft&rdquo; (1849), &ldquo;Die Kunst und die Revolution&rdquo; (1849) und &bdquo;Das K&uuml;nstlertum der Zukunft&rdquo; (Fragmente, ab 1849). Aufgefangen und praxistauglich umgesetzt wurden viele Ideen aus diesen Schriften dann in &ldquo;Oper und Drama&rdquo; (1850\/51).<\/p>\n<p><!--break--><\/p>\n<p>Die Sprache der &bdquo;revolution&auml;ren&rdquo; Schriften ist eigenartig philosophisch-didaktisch. Das &ldquo;Volk&rdquo; spielt eine gro&szlig;e Rolle, die Rede von &bdquo;Nothwendigkeiten&rdquo;, die Bindung von Kunst an das Volk. An einer Stelle in &ldquo;Das Kunstwerk der Zukunft&rdquo; relativiert er die egoistische Leistung des K&uuml;nstlers:<\/p>\n<p class=\"rteindent1\"><cite>Die Kunst ist das Sondereigentum einer K&uuml;nstlerklasse geworden; Genu&szlig; bietet sie nur denen, die sie <i>verstehen<\/i>, und zu ihrem Verst&auml;ndnis erfordert sie ein besonderes, dem wirklichen Leben abgelegenes Studium, das Studium der <i>Kunstgelehrsamkeit<\/i>.<br \/> <i>Richard Wagner, Mein Denken, hg. von Martin Gregor Dellin, M&uuml;nchen 1982, S. 143.<\/i><\/cite><\/p>\n<p>So geht er ins Gericht mit der reinen Kunstwelt, ebenso wie mit der am Modischen orientierten Welt der fr&uuml;hen Kulturindustrie. Wagner sieht sinnige Kunst nur im Zusammenhang mit der umgebenden Gesellschaft, dem &bdquo;Volk&rdquo; wie er schreibt. Er liebt das &ldquo;Volk&rdquo;. F&uuml;r ihn ist es der eigentliche Beweger von Kunst. Und daher sind die Eigentumsrechte an der Kunst nicht Ergebnis eines egoistischen k&uuml;nstlerischen Prozesses. In &quot;Das K&uuml;nstlertum der Zukunft&rdquo; hei&szlig;t es:<\/p>\n<p class=\"rteindent1\"><cite>Der eigentliche Erfinder war von jeher nur das Volk, \u0096 die namhaften einzelnen sogenannten Erfinder haben nur das bereits entdeckte Wesen der Erfindung auf andere, verwandte Gegenst&auml;nde &uuml;bertragen, \u0096 sie sind nur Ableiter. Der Einzelne kann nicht erfinden, sondern sich nur der Erfindung bem&auml;chtigen.<br \/> <i>Richard Wagner, Mein Denken, hg. von Martin Gregor Dellin, M&uuml;nchen 1982, S. 167.<\/i><\/cite><\/p>\n<p>Jetzt frage ich wieder, wie seit Jahren: Wem geh&ouml;rt die Kunst? 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In seiner revolution&auml;ren Phase als Autor (so um 1850) hatte er einer unentschiedenen Art des Kommunismus sich zugewandt. In jener Zeit enstanden dicht hintereinander zuweilen dicke Abhandlungen wie &bdquo;Das Kunstwerk der Zukunft&rdquo; (1849), &ldquo;Die Kunst und die Revolution&rdquo; (1849) und &bdquo;Das [&hellip;]<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Richard%20Wagner%3A%20%E2%80%9C%E2%80%A6%20sie%20sind%20nur%20Ableiter.%E2%80%9D https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2Frichard-wagner-sie-sind-nur-ableiter%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path 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Mai 2004","format":false,"excerpt":"Richard Wagner ist ein umstrittener K\u00fcnstler, nicht nur heute sondern auch zu seiner Zeit. In seiner revolution\u00e4ren Phase als Autor (so um 1850) hatte er einer unentschiedenen Art des Kommunismus sich zugewandt. In jener Zeit enstanden dicht hintereinander zuweilen dicke Abhandlungen wie \u201eDas Kunstwerk der Zukunft\u201d (1849), \u201cDie Kunst und\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;das Urheberrecht&quot;","block_context":{"text":"das Urheberrecht","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/thema\/angriffauf\/das-urheberrecht\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"In der Berlinschen Galerie. 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September 2004","format":false,"excerpt":"Vorauszuschicken ist: Mit Wagner verbindet mich nicht viel. Vorauszuschicken ist: Mit Wagner verbindet mich nicht viel. 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M\u00e4rz 2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Homeoffice im Homeoffice +++ Kram von Born und Wagner +++ Der eigene Verfall schreitet voran +++ Lieber etwas Gutes tun, solange es noch geht +++","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Angriff auf \u2026&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Angriff auf \u2026","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/thema\/angriffauf\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"Der Windvogel. 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