{"id":804,"date":"2004-09-30T18:33:10","date_gmt":"2004-09-30T17:33:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/wordpress\/blog\/musiker-nicht-intelligenter\/"},"modified":"2023-12-18T08:49:45","modified_gmt":"2023-12-18T07:49:45","slug":"musiker-nicht-intelligenter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/musiker-nicht-intelligenter\/","title":{"rendered":"Musiker nicht intelligenter"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Das war ja klar. Das konnte ich auch an mir selbst beobachten. Da schau her:<br \/>\n<cite>Anders als von manchen Fachleuten angenommen wird die Intelligenz durch eine musikalische Ausbildung offensichtlich nicht gesteigert. Zu diesem Resultat sind Psychologen der Universit\u00e4t G\u00f6ttingen in einer aktuellen Studie gekommen.<\/p>\n<p>&#8222;Wir waren selbst \u00fcberrascht&#8220;, sagte Prof. Martin Rammsayer, der die Untersuchung bei der Jahrestagung der Deutschen Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Psychologie (DGPS) in G\u00f6ttingen vorstellte. Es gebe keine bedeutsamen Intelligenzunterschiede zwischen Musikern und Nichtmusikern. F\u00fcr ihre Untersuchungen haben die G\u00f6ttinger Psychologen unterschiedliche &quot;Intelligenzaspekte&quot; bei jeweils 70 Musikern und 70 Nichtmusikern getestet.<\/p>\n<p>Quelle: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nmz.de\/kiz\/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=8206&amp;mode=thread&amp;order=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Musiker nicht intelligenter :: KIZ des Deutschen Kulturrates und der ConBrio Verlagsgesellschaft ::<\/a><\/cite><br \/>\nVielleicht bin ich aber auch nicht typisch. Es ist schon merkw\u00fcrdig. Da werden jahrelang Studien gemacht von Musikp\u00e4dagogen wie Bastian, die zwar auch nicht richtig sagen, dass Musik Menschen intelligenter mache, aber gerne in diese Richtung interpretiert werden. <\/p>\n<p>Zur erw\u00e4hnten Studie kann man (ich) noch nichts genaueres sagen, denn mehr als diese Meldung wei\u00df ich auch nicht.<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Musiker%20nicht%20intelligenter https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2Fmusiker-nicht-intelligenter%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 21.73 4.365 9.465 14.781 14.537 24.782 15.385 7.64.698 15.761-.213 22.517-4.026a54.1 54.1 0 0 0 .01-6.232c-6.855 1.316-14.101 2.609-21.049 1.074-3.883-.88-6.876-4.237-7.25-8.215-1.53-3.988 3.78-.43 5.584-.883 9.048 1.224 18.282.776 27.303-.462 7.044-.837 14.26-4.788 16.65-11.833 2.263-6.135 1.215-12.79 1.698-19.177.06-3.84.09-7.692-.262-11.52C72.596 7.844 63.223.981 53.834.684a219.453 219.453 0 0 0-16.022-.71zm11.294 12.882c5.5-.067 10.801 4.143 11.67 9.653.338 1.48.471 3 .471 4.515v21.088h-8.357c-.07-7.588.153-15.182-.131-22.765-.587-4.368-7.04-5.747-9.672-2.397-2.422 3.04-1.47 7.155-1.67 10.735v6.392h-8.307c-.146-4.996.359-10.045-.404-15.002-1.108-4.218-7.809-5.565-10.094-1.666-1.685 3.046-.712 6.634-.976 9.936v14.767h-8.354c.109-8.165-.238-16.344.215-24.5.674-5.346 5.095-10.389 10.676-10.627 4.902-.739 10.103 2.038 12.053 6.631.375 1.435 1.76 1.932 1.994.084 1.844-3.704 5.501-6.739 9.785-6.771.367-.044.735-.068 1.101-.073z\"\/><defs><linearGradient id=\"paint0_linear_549_34\" x1=\"37.0692\" y1=\"0\" x2=\"37.0692\" y2=\"79\" gradientUnits=\"userSpaceOnUse\"><stop stop-color=\"#6364FF\"\/><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#563ACC\"\/><\/linearGradient><\/defs><\/svg><\/span><span class=\"shariff-text\" style=\"color:#6364FF\">teilen<\/span>&nbsp;<\/a><\/li><li class=\"shariff-button bluesky shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#84c4ff\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/intent\/compose?text=Musiker%20nicht%20intelligenter https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2Fmusiker-nicht-intelligenter%2F \" title=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; 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