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Lightning Seeds &#8211; <i>three lions &#8217;98 (football&#8217;s coming home)<\/i><\/p>\n<p><b>Sprecher:<\/b> F\u00fcr Fussball ist es jetzt viel zu hei\u00df. Da zieht es einen lieber in abgedunkelte klimatisierte Opernh\u00e4user. Der unumstrittene Herr der Ringe ist dabei ein gewisser Richard Wagner. Gro\u00dfe Theater-Gesten, dickfl\u00fcssige Musik, die als Klangbrei um die K\u00f6pfe und Ohren saftelt: Die ganze Welt erfahren und erkennen in nur knapp vier Abenden. Dem k\u00f6nnen die Geld-und-Beine-Helden vom gr\u00fcnen Rasen nichts entgegen setzen au\u00dfer Bettgeschichten und Drogenexzessen. Doch das langweilt auf die Dauer. Die Heranwachsenden suchen immer h\u00e4ufiger eine Welt mit Inhalten; Welten, die zum Nachdenken anregen, Welten, die bleiben. Genau das kann der Richard Wagner bieten.<\/p>\n<p>Wagner, der einstmals steckbrieflich gesuchte Revolution\u00e4r, der es sp\u00e4ter verstand, ganze Kulturetats bayerischer Herrscher auf sich zu ziehen. Wagner, der K\u00fcnstler als kapitalrei\u00dfender Antikapitalist. So etwas kann durchaus imponieren, so etwas gibt ein positives Bild f\u00fcr junge Menschen ab. Der Kult um Wagner hat Tradition. Vor gut 130 Jahren allerdings beckmesserte kein Geringerer als Friedrich Nietzsche gegen den Wagner-Kult:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Zitator: <\/b> \u201eWas die J\u00fcnglinge betrifft, welche Wagner huldigen, so sind sie gemeinhin schlecht musikalisch. (Einer von den besten sagte mir sogar einmal treuherzig \u201aich verstehe gar nichts von Musik, aber Wagner vereinigt alles Gute, was es heute gibt \u2013 er ist Antisemit, Vegetarianer und verabscheut die Vivisektion\u2018.)<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; diese deutsche Jugend verehrt an Wagnern das Befehlerische, die F\u00e4higkeit l\u00e4rmend zu kommandieren, auf sich allein zu stehen, auf sich allein zur\u00fcckzuweisen, hartn\u00e4ckig zu sich selber Ja zu sagen &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; die Jugend hat einmal das Recht zum schlechten Geschmack, &#8211; es ist ihr Recht.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><b>Sprecher: <\/b> Also dann doch lieber 90 Minuten im Fussballstadion schwitzen, saufen, schreien und huldigen den Helden aus Hannover oder Hamburg? Vielleicht ist der Schritt aus dem Stadion ins Opernhaus jedoch viel k\u00fcrzer. 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In jener Zeit enstanden dicht hintereinander zuweilen dicke Abhandlungen wie \u201eDas Kunstwerk der Zukunft\u201d (1849), \u201cDie Kunst und\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;das Urheberrecht&quot;","block_context":{"text":"das Urheberrecht","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/category\/angriffauf\/das-urheberrecht\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"In der Berlinschen Galerie. 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Als Student musste (durfte \u2014 wie auch immer) ich in Philosophie referieren \u00fcber Wagner Schriften \u201eDas Kunsterwerk der Zukunft\u201c und \u201eOper und Drama\u201c \u2014 zwei fette B\u00fccher (eines auch noch in Frakturausgabe \u2014 gut\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Programmhefte&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Programmhefte","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/category\/texte\/programmhefte\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"Russische Briefmarke mit Wagner vornedrauf von 1963","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2004\/09\/20040919-wagner.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":3026,"url":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/2012\/03\/komisch-der-wagner-der-revolution\/","url_meta":{"origin":8226,"position":5},"title":"Komisch, der Wagner der Revolution","author":"huflaikhan","date":"14. 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