{"id":8244,"date":"2004-05-30T17:00:10","date_gmt":"2004-05-30T15:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musikunrat.de\/?p=1005"},"modified":"2004-05-30T17:00:10","modified_gmt":"2004-05-30T15:00:10","slug":"richard-wagner-sie-sind-nur-ableiter-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/richard-wagner-sie-sind-nur-ableiter-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Richard Wagner: \u201c\u2026 sie sind nur Ableiter.\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Richard Wagner ist ein umstrittener K\u00fcnstler, nicht nur heute sondern auch zu seiner Zeit. In seiner revolution\u00e4ren Phase als Autor (so um 1850) hatte er einer unentschiedenen Art des Kommunismus sich zugewandt. In jener Zeit enstanden dicht hintereinander zuweilen dicke Abhandlungen wie \u201eDas Kunstwerk der Zukunft\u201d (1849), \u201cDie Kunst und die Revolution\u201d (1849) und \u201eDas K\u00fcnstlertum der Zukunft\u201d (Fragmente, ab 1849). Aufgefangen und praxistauglich umgesetzt wurden viele Ideen aus diesen Schriften dann in \u201cOper und Drama\u201d (1850\/51).<\/p>\n<p>Die Sprache der \u201erevolution\u00e4ren\u201d Schriften ist eigenartig philosophisch-didaktisch. Das \u201cVolk\u201d spielt eine gro\u00dfe Rolle, die Rede von \u201eNothwendigkeiten\u201d, die Bindung von Kunst an das Volk. An einer Stelle in \u201cDas Kunstwerk der Zukunft\u201d relativiert er die egoistische Leistung des K\u00fcnstlers:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Die Kunst ist das Sondereigentum einer K\u00fcnstlerklasse geworden; Genu\u00df bietet sie nur denen, die sie verstehen, und zu ihrem Verst\u00e4ndnis erfordert sie ein besonderes, dem wirklichen Leben abgelegenes Studium, das Studium der Kunstgelehrsamkeit.&#8221; <sup id=\"mfn-content-0000000000004fab0000000000000000_8244-1\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"0000000000004fab0000000000000000_8244\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-0000000000004fab0000000000000000_8244-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Richard Wagner, Mein Denken, hg. von Martin Gregor Dellin, M\u00fcnchen 1982, S. 143.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1006\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1006\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-1006\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/berlinische_galerie_wagner_c_hufner.jpg?resize=1024%2C696&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"In der Berlinschen Galerie. Foto: Hufner\" width=\"1024\" height=\"696\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1006\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">In der Berlinschen Galerie. Foto: Hufner<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>So geht er ins Gericht mit der reinen Kunstwelt, ebenso wie mit der am Modischen orientierten Welt der fr\u00fchen Kulturindustrie. Wagner sieht sinnige Kunst nur im Zusammenhang mit der umgebenden Gesellschaft, dem \u201eVolk\u201d wie er schreibt. Er liebt das \u201cVolk\u201d. F\u00fcr ihn ist es der eigentliche Beweger von Kunst. Und daher sind die Eigentumsrechte an der Kunst nicht Ergebnis eines egoistischen k\u00fcnstlerischen Prozesses. In &#8220;Das K\u00fcnstlertum der Zukunft\u201d hei\u00dft es:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Der eigentliche Erfinder war von jeher nur das Volk, \u0096 die namhaften einzelnen sogenannten Erfinder haben nur das bereits entdeckte Wesen der Erfindung auf andere, verwandte Gegenst\u00e4nde \u00fcbertragen, \u0096 sie sind nur Ableiter. Der Einzelne kann nicht erfinden, sondern sich nur der Erfindung bem\u00e4chtigen.&#8221;<sup id=\"mfn-content-0000000000004fab0000000000000000_8244-2\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"0000000000004fab0000000000000000_8244\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-0000000000004fab0000000000000000_8244-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">Richard Wagner, Mein Denken, hg. von Martin Gregor Dellin, M\u00fcnchen 1982, S. 167.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Jetzt frage ich wieder, wie seit Jahren: Wem geh\u00f6rt die Kunst? 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In seiner revolution\u00e4ren Phase als Autor (so um 1850) hatte er einer unentschiedenen Art des Kommunismus sich zugewandt. 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