{"id":8274,"date":"2004-10-18T12:14:46","date_gmt":"2004-10-18T10:14:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musikunrat.de\/?p=1347"},"modified":"2004-10-18T12:14:46","modified_gmt":"2004-10-18T10:14:46","slug":"kompositorische-innovationen-1979-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/2004\/10\/kompositorische-innovationen-1979-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Kompositorische Innovationen 1979"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Eben ausf\u00fchrlich mit P.B. telefoniert \u00fcber Reger, Bach, Beethoven und allerlei. Dabei fiel dann das Wort von kompositorischen Innovationen. Irgendwer meinte in der Newsgroup de.rec.musik.klassik Beethoven sei nicht innovativ gewesen. Das ist auch egal, ob ja, ob nein. Der Begriff der Innovation trifft nichts Wesentliches im Fach der Komposition. Ich war n\u00e4mlich auch einmal innovativ, habe, zwar zu sp\u00e4t, daf\u00fcr in Unkenntnis 1979 einmal repetitive Musik erfunden (was man heute gemeinhin aber falsch als Minimal Music zusammenfasst).<\/p>\n<p>In meinem wenig beachteten op. 1 \u201eZyklus der Kunst f\u00fcr Violine solo\u201c gibt es ein St\u00fcck mit dem Titel \u201eDer Fotoapparat\u201c.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1348\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1348\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/20041018-fotoapparat.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1348\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/2005\/08\/eisenman-berlin\/attachment-mahnmal-ganz-dicht\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2005\/08\/20050725-eisenman10.jpg?fit=500%2C351&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"500,351\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Mahnmal, ganz dicht\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2005\/08\/20050725-eisenman10.jpg?fit=500%2C351&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1348\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/20041018-fotoapparat.jpg?resize=500%2C367&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Fotoapparat op. 1\" width=\"500\" height=\"367\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1348\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fotoapparat op. 1<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Das war gedacht als Programmmusik im einfachsten Sinne. Teil a) da wird der Apparat zusammengeschraubt, Teil f\u00fcr Teil. Die Takte f\u00fcllen sich also Note um Note. Genauso geht es mit der repetitiven Musik bei Steve Reich oft auch; nur eben ohne dieses Bild. Eingebaut in Teil a) ist auch ein Fehler, der in Teil c) [16tel m\u00fcssen von Ton zu Ton gleiten, schmieren!!! Nur Glissandi dieser T\u00f6ne, nach Belieben verl\u00e4ngern] dann zum Versagen des Fotoapparates f\u00fchrt. Teil b) [kr\u00e4ftig energisch, dann gef\u00fchlvoller werdend] handelt vom Handeln beim Verkauf, bei dem sich die beiden Partner gegenseitig ann\u00e4hern und einigen.<\/p>\n<p>Das St\u00fcck, mit einem Wort, war innovativ, nur hat es keiner bemerkt und es war auch nicht innovativ, denn Musik dieser Machart gab es ja schon, nur wusste ich es nicht. Der Vergleich zu Eroberung der Integralrechnung bei Newton und Leibniz bietet sich da noch an, w\u00e4re aber etwas vermessen.<\/p>\n<p>So kommt es, dass hier ein junges Talent, unentdeckt, innovationsreich startete und in Konventionen endete.<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Kompositorische%20Innovationen%201979 https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2004%2F10%2Fkompositorische-innovationen-1979-2%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 21.73 4.365 9.465 14.781 14.537 24.782 15.385 7.64.698 15.761-.213 22.517-4.026a54.1 54.1 0 0 0 .01-6.232c-6.855 1.316-14.101 2.609-21.049 1.074-3.883-.88-6.876-4.237-7.25-8.215-1.53-3.988 3.78-.43 5.584-.883 9.048 1.224 18.282.776 27.303-.462 7.044-.837 14.26-4.788 16.65-11.833 2.263-6.135 1.215-12.79 1.698-19.177.06-3.84.09-7.692-.262-11.52C72.596 7.844 63.223.981 53.834.684a219.453 219.453 0 0 0-16.022-.71zm11.294 12.882c5.5-.067 10.801 4.143 11.67 9.653.338 1.48.471 3 .471 4.515v21.088h-8.357c-.07-7.588.153-15.182-.131-22.765-.587-4.368-7.04-5.747-9.672-2.397-2.422 3.04-1.47 7.155-1.67 10.735v6.392h-8.307c-.146-4.996.359-10.045-.404-15.002-1.108-4.218-7.809-5.565-10.094-1.666-1.685 3.046-.712 6.634-.976 9.936v14.767h-8.354c.109-8.165-.238-16.344.215-24.5.674-5.346 5.095-10.389 10.676-10.627 4.902-.739 10.103 2.038 12.053 6.631.375 1.435 1.76 1.932 1.994.084 1.844-3.704 5.501-6.739 9.785-6.771.367-.044.735-.068 1.101-.073z\"\/><defs><linearGradient id=\"paint0_linear_549_34\" x1=\"37.0692\" y1=\"0\" x2=\"37.0692\" y2=\"79\" gradientUnits=\"userSpaceOnUse\"><stop stop-color=\"#6364FF\"\/><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#563ACC\"\/><\/linearGradient><\/defs><\/svg><\/span><span class=\"shariff-text\" style=\"color:#6364FF\">teilen<\/span>&nbsp;<\/a><\/li><li class=\"shariff-button bluesky shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#84c4ff\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/intent\/compose?text=Kompositorische%20Innovationen%201979 https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2004%2F10%2Fkompositorische-innovationen-1979-2%2F \" title=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; 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Dabei fiel dann das Wort von kompositorischen Innovationen. Irgendwer meinte in der Newsgroup de.rec.musik.klassik Beethoven sei nicht innovativ gewesen. Das ist auch egal, ob ja, ob nein. Der Begriff der Innovation trifft nichts Wesentliches im Fach der Komposition. Ich war n\u00e4mlich auch einmal innovativ, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Kompositorische%20Innovationen%201979 https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2004%2F10%2Fkompositorische-innovationen-1979-2%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 21.73 4.365 9.465 14.781 14.537 24.782 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