{"id":8333,"date":"2007-01-03T08:53:59","date_gmt":"2007-01-03T07:53:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musikunrat.de\/?p=1687"},"modified":"2007-01-03T08:53:59","modified_gmt":"2007-01-03T07:53:59","slug":"warum-ich-luhmann-verstehe-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/warum-ich-luhmann-verstehe-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Warum ich Luhmann verstehe?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"section field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden\">\n<div class=\"field-items\">\n<div class=\"field-item odd\">\n<p>Erstmal. Ich verstehe gar nix. Luhmann ist, sozialisationsbedingt, b\u00e4h (kurzes \u201e\u00e4\u201c). Was ich dann verstehe, ist so banal, dass es kaum zu glauben ist, dass das vorher niemand so gesagt haben soll. Zum Beispiel:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201eBeobachtet man das reformierte System, hat man den Eindruck, da\u00df das Hauptresultat von Reformen die Erzeugung des Bedarfs f\u00fcr weitere Reformen ist.\u201c<sup id=\"mfn-content-0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333-1\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Das Erziehungssystem der Gesellschaft, S. 166.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Das entspricht so recht eigentlich der normalen Erfahrung. Aber selten hat man es gelesen. Wahrscheinlich ist es nicht empirisch nachgewiesen und daher erst mal nicht glaubw\u00fcrdig.<\/p>\n<p>\u00dcberhaupt mache ich die Erfahrung, dass, wenn man beispielsweise den Adorno zur Theoretisierung der praktischen Welt heranzieht, dies von der angesprochenen Seite als \u201ealte 68er\u201c-Sache abgetan wird. Die Welt sei nun mal heute anders. Nicht wahr. Und all das gildet eben nicht mehr. Sagt man dann aber sowas wie Derrida oder Luhmann, Bourdieu oder Habermas<sup id=\"mfn-content-0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333-2\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">alle bis auf Habermas mittlerweile auch hin\u00fcber<\/span>, dann wird man ernst genommen. Denn die sind ja noch halbwegs aktuell. Die Kraft des Arguments steigt mit dem Label.<\/p>\n<p>Also <del>Adorno<\/del> Luhmann:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201eDie wichigste Ressource der Reformer scheint daher eine Leistung des Systemged\u00e4chtnisses zu sein, n\u00e4mlich das Vergessen.\u201c<sup id=\"mfn-content-0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333-3\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-0000000000004da40000000000000000_8333-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\">Das Erziehungssystem der Gesellschaft, S. 167.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Man kann diesen ganzen Passus, Seiten 165-167, wie eine einzige Satire lesen. Unmittelbar prickelnd, nach links und rechts gleicherma\u00dfen austeilend. \u201eIntelligente Verarsche\u201c h\u00f6re ich da aus dem Hintergrund murmeln. Sind Luhmann und Loriot am Ende die gleichen Personen?<\/p>\n<p>Also, ich verstehe diesen Luhmann mittlerweile sehr, wenn ich mal \u00fcber den Spezialjargon hinweggehe. Oder habe ich nicht doch nur wieder Adorno zitiert. Das w\u00fcrde mich jetzt gar nicht wundern. Nicht: \u201eIsolierte p\u00e4dagogische Reformen allein, wie unumg\u00e4nglich auch immer, helfen nicht.\u201c (Luhmann oder Adorno, na einer von beiden bestimmt).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Warum%20ich%20Luhmann%20verstehe%3F https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2Fwarum-ich-luhmann-verstehe-2%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 21.73 4.365 9.465 14.781 14.537 24.782 15.385 7.64.698 15.761-.213 22.517-4.026a54.1 54.1 0 0 0 .01-6.232c-6.855 1.316-14.101 2.609-21.049 1.074-3.883-.88-6.876-4.237-7.25-8.215-1.53-3.988 3.78-.43 5.584-.883 9.048 1.224 18.282.776 27.303-.462 7.044-.837 14.26-4.788 16.65-11.833 2.263-6.135 1.215-12.79 1.698-19.177.06-3.84.09-7.692-.262-11.52C72.596 7.844 63.223.981 53.834.684a219.453 219.453 0 0 0-16.022-.71zm11.294 12.882c5.5-.067 10.801 4.143 11.67 9.653.338 1.48.471 3 .471 4.515v21.088h-8.357c-.07-7.588.153-15.182-.131-22.765-.587-4.368-7.04-5.747-9.672-2.397-2.422 3.04-1.47 7.155-1.67 10.735v6.392h-8.307c-.146-4.996.359-10.045-.404-15.002-1.108-4.218-7.809-5.565-10.094-1.666-1.685 3.046-.712 6.634-.976 9.936v14.767h-8.354c.109-8.165-.238-16.344.215-24.5.674-5.346 5.095-10.389 10.676-10.627 4.902-.739 10.103 2.038 12.053 6.631.375 1.435 1.76 1.932 1.994.084 1.844-3.704 5.501-6.739 9.785-6.771.367-.044.735-.068 1.101-.073z\"\/><defs><linearGradient id=\"paint0_linear_549_34\" x1=\"37.0692\" y1=\"0\" x2=\"37.0692\" y2=\"79\" gradientUnits=\"userSpaceOnUse\"><stop stop-color=\"#6364FF\"\/><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#563ACC\"\/><\/linearGradient><\/defs><\/svg><\/span><span class=\"shariff-text\" style=\"color:#6364FF\">teilen<\/span>&nbsp;<\/a><\/li><li class=\"shariff-button bluesky shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#84c4ff\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/intent\/compose?text=Warum%20ich%20Luhmann%20verstehe%3F https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2Fwarum-ich-luhmann-verstehe-2%2F \" title=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; 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Ich verstehe gar nix. Luhmann ist, sozialisationsbedingt, b\u00e4h (kurzes \u201e\u00e4\u201c). Was ich dann verstehe, ist so banal, dass es kaum zu glauben ist, dass das vorher niemand so gesagt haben soll. Zum Beispiel: \u201eBeobachtet man das reformierte System, hat man den Eindruck, da\u00df das Hauptresultat von Reformen die Erzeugung des Bedarfs f\u00fcr weitere Reformen [&hellip;]<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Warum%20ich%20Luhmann%20verstehe%3F https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2Fwarum-ich-luhmann-verstehe-2%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 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