{"id":8795,"date":"2019-03-13T20:45:53","date_gmt":"2019-03-13T19:45:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musikunrat.de\/?p=1771"},"modified":"2019-03-13T20:45:53","modified_gmt":"2019-03-13T19:45:53","slug":"beleglose-argumentation-die","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kritische-masse.de\/logbuch\/2019\/03\/beleglose-argumentation-die\/","title":{"rendered":"Beleglose Argumentation, die"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Eigentlich nicht m\u00f6glich, ohne Beleg, zu argumentieren. Eine Argumentation braucht Argumente, wenigstens mindestens eines. Im Moment, anders als das papierlose B\u00fcro, das nie Realit\u00e4t wurde, boomt die beleglose Argumentation (\u00fcbrigens nicht nur im Internet). Als Bedingung daf\u00fcr ist Voraussetzung, dass man etwas geh\u00f6rt oder aufgeschnappt hat. Das reicht. Man muss es dann im Zweifelsfall auch nicht einmal zitieren.<\/p>\n<p>Der Vorteil der beleglosen Argumentation liegt auf der Hand. Man kann ihr nicht mit Argumenten widersprechen. Sondern nur mit belegloser Argumentation; oder in dem man sich erst gar nicht auf die Diskussion einl\u00e4sst, sondern gleich die Gesch\u00e4ftsordnung anruft.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<blockquote><p>Zuerst in der Kritischen Masse vom 1. M\u00e4rz 2016.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Nachtrag: Beispiel: Heute die Fragestunde zur Urheberrechtsreform mit etwas absurden Beitr\u00e4gen seitens der FDP, der GR\u00dcNEN, der AfD und der LINKEN.<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Beleglose%20Argumentation%2C%20die https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2019%2F03%2Fbeleglose-argumentation-die%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 21.73 4.365 9.465 14.781 14.537 24.782 15.385 7.64.698 15.761-.213 22.517-4.026a54.1 54.1 0 0 0 .01-6.232c-6.855 1.316-14.101 2.609-21.049 1.074-3.883-.88-6.876-4.237-7.25-8.215-1.53-3.988 3.78-.43 5.584-.883 9.048 1.224 18.282.776 27.303-.462 7.044-.837 14.26-4.788 16.65-11.833 2.263-6.135 1.215-12.79 1.698-19.177.06-3.84.09-7.692-.262-11.52C72.596 7.844 63.223.981 53.834.684a219.453 219.453 0 0 0-16.022-.71zm11.294 12.882c5.5-.067 10.801 4.143 11.67 9.653.338 1.48.471 3 .471 4.515v21.088h-8.357c-.07-7.588.153-15.182-.131-22.765-.587-4.368-7.04-5.747-9.672-2.397-2.422 3.04-1.47 7.155-1.67 10.735v6.392h-8.307c-.146-4.996.359-10.045-.404-15.002-1.108-4.218-7.809-5.565-10.094-1.666-1.685 3.046-.712 6.634-.976 9.936v14.767h-8.354c.109-8.165-.238-16.344.215-24.5.674-5.346 5.095-10.389 10.676-10.627 4.902-.739 10.103 2.038 12.053 6.631.375 1.435 1.76 1.932 1.994.084 1.844-3.704 5.501-6.739 9.785-6.771.367-.044.735-.068 1.101-.073z\"\/><defs><linearGradient id=\"paint0_linear_549_34\" x1=\"37.0692\" y1=\"0\" x2=\"37.0692\" y2=\"79\" gradientUnits=\"userSpaceOnUse\"><stop stop-color=\"#6364FF\"\/><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#563ACC\"\/><\/linearGradient><\/defs><\/svg><\/span><span class=\"shariff-text\" style=\"color:#6364FF\">teilen<\/span>&nbsp;<\/a><\/li><li class=\"shariff-button bluesky shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#84c4ff\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/intent\/compose?text=Beleglose%20Argumentation%2C%20die https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2019%2F03%2Fbeleglose-argumentation-die%2F \" title=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; 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Man muss es dann im Zweifelsfall auch [&hellip;]<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff\"><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-white orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=Beleglose%20Argumentation%2C%20die https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kritische-masse.de%2Flogbuch%2F2019%2F03%2Fbeleglose-argumentation-die%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#6364FF\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"fill:#6364FF\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 21.73 4.365 9.465 14.781 14.537 24.782 15.385 7.64.698 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